The Family of Richard III with Michael Hicks

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Throughout his long career Emeritus Professor Michael Hicks has examined various historical figures of the fractious period of the Wars of the Roses; from the controversial King Richard III to more elusive figures such as Queen Anne Neville, King Edward V and the much-neglected George Duke of Clarence.  In his latest book, The Family of Richard III, Michael offers a fresh insight into Richard’s life by placing him in the context of his family; examining the concept of a medieval royal family and their place in politics, their ancestors, descendants and the lamentable internal destruction of the house of York.

King Richard III has not only had one afterlife, he has been the focus of an unprecedented archaeological discovery that is creating an entirely new one.  Michael joins us to discuss the real impact of science on historical research and the posthumous life of King Richard III.

You have written a great deal about Richard III and his family, what was your main concern when you approached your new book?

There is no point in writing a historical book that merely repeats what is already known. Past experience has shown me that a different approach can stimulate new insights. Writing about Edward V and Anne Neville has added significant new understandings to my appreciation of Richard III. Similarly examining Richard in the context of his family – his families – places him in other contexts and against a set of contemporary standards and expectations. I have done this before, with reference to the Nevilles and the Wydevilles: this book explores this approach on a large scale. The bones of Richard III issue came along later. The result, I think has produced new insights that I shall explore further in the future.

Focusing on your closing chapter, I was interested in your comments on conclusions being drawn about Richard III’s character based on scientific research made since his remains were discovered and that “historians will have to engage with scientists on the deductions to be drawn from such evidence”. Do you think there has been a shift in perception in regards to what science can really teach us about a historical figure?

Historians know that all their sources are imperfect and need to be subjected to appraisal from many different directions – date of composition, authorship, bias, function etc. etc. All sources are biased and much of the work of the historian is to identify these biases and to make appropriate allowances for it.

The scientists have not operated by making suggestions or claims as historians do but in terms of absolute pronouncements – this evidence proves with 99.999% the desired result. They have been backed by the authority of Leicester University and other expert institutions. A range of scientists have contributed their expertise in their own area. Such suggestions, claims and pronouncements need to be understood by historians if they are to be subjected to proper historical appraisal. Fortunately the scientists in this instance have explained the science very lucidly to non-scientific audiences.

Clearly archaeology and other sciences can add to the sum of information in certain areas. Can they add anything useful? The information about Richard III’s battlefield injuries is of minimal interest to historians who already know he was killed in battle. Investigations on the site of the battle of Bosworth have not altered the result of the battle or explain that result. The forte of archaeology is not events or individuals: it contributes better to processes, such as social conditions, structures, and landscape (e.g. Deserted Medieval Villages).

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So while science can teach us about certain physical aspects and social conditions, can it really lend us much insight into a particular historical figure’s character?

We are really talking here about evidence from the skeleton, not – for instance – a brain scan or psychological assessment. How much would we expect to discover about the charm, honesty, sexual proclivities, or psychopathic tendencies from the skeleton or even the whole body of anyone alive today? Would such evidence be entertained in a court of law? Of course not. For the past even the physical evidence is likely to be incomplete. Of course science may progress, but to me at present the answer is No. The raw information we have, that Richard III was short, weedy and ate loads of fish, offers scope for speculation and even deduction. I doubt whether his bones will ever offer much insight to his non-material personality.

You’ve been vocal about your views about the scientific evidence not being conclusive enough to confirm the remains found in Leicester are that of Richard III’s in the past and you examine this in-depth in The Family of Richard III. Can you tell our readers a little about your views?

Historians have to work from the imperfect evidence that has percolated down to us and underpins interpretations that can be undermined by new sources. Historians spend a lot of time looking for these extra sources or for new perspectives that make better sense of the data. Science has raised the bar. It has claimed that certainty is attainable and that the scientific findings are absolute. I have applied this higher standard to science and found it wanting.

On the one hand I accept this higher standard and demand the highest level of certainty: all the tests must agree. They don’t all agree.

On the other hand, I point out how imperfect the evidence is that is being analysed and that even the probabilities cited leave room for doubt.

We are not sure that Richard’s body was left undisturbed in the priory; we don’t know with any precision the dates of the bones; we don’t know who else with this DNA was buried here. Between 1455 and 1540 lots of Richard’s relatives sharing the same mitochondrial DNA perished violently. The scientific tests were flawed because the identification of the bones with Richard III was presumed and not tested. Moreover on the corpse’s appearance the 20+% probability that the corpse was not fair and blue eyed was discounted.

Finally the injuries that the bones suffered are not compatible with those cited in the historical sources. Obviously Richard III wore a helmet: if he was not wearing one, as the wounds suggest, despatch after capture is a better scenario than death in the press of battle.

Archaeology claims to be a science and archaeologists do their utmost to avoid contamination of the evidence. However archaeological evidence is also subject to interpretation just as historical evidence is.

A CGI reconstruction of Richard III's original tomb by De Monfort University

A CGI reconstruction of Richard III’s original tomb by De Monfort University

Do you think that the historical evidence indicating the remains are Richard III’s still doesn’t weigh up?

The historical evidence (documents and maps) marshalled by John Ashdown-Hill is good. There are gaps however: we don’t know the precise location of the tomb in the choir, the nature of the tomb, that the tomb was undisturbed over the five centuries from 1536 during which period the site was subject to demolition, development, and redevelopment several times.

In terms of the significant historical discoveries Leicester University claims to have made, the Y chromosome tests in the last study failed. What’s your opinion on the claims that the break in paternity is due to illegitimacy, and the subsequent media frenzy?

The science is that the Y chromosome is passed down in the direct male line generation after generation for ever. In that case, there must be a match between the Y chromosome of the bones and at least one of the Somerset family today. If the bones do belong to Richard III, then either the science of the Y chromosome is imperfect OR there is a paternity break.
Obviously the unchanging Y chromosome is an unproven scientific hypothesis: it may have been demonstrated over a few generations, but it is certainly not proven over 17 generations for a statistically meaningful sample of people. How could it be?

And obviously there are many different Y chromosomes around in this country today.

The other explanation is that there is a break in paternity – and there we really have too many options. Was the break in the Beaufort line – with Charles Somerset (d. 1526), whose body we can locate, or one of his Beaufort ancestors or their descendants, most of whom we cannot, or in the house of York? Covering all bases requires a lot of digging.

Two new interpretations of Richard III's facial features, polymer impressions created with a 3D printer

Two new interpretations of Richard III’s facial features, polymer impressions created with a 3D printer

If the remains did indeed belong to Richard III, other than a confirmation he suffered from scoliosis, have we really been afforded any new insights into his life that were not already available to us from historical records?

Most of the findings – that Richard III died violently in a battle at Bosworth on a particular date and was buried at Leicester friary – was well known already.

If he suffered from scoliosis, hitherto attacked as Tudor propaganda, it strengthens the case for crediting the other allegations made about him.

Small size, slender and effeminate build contrast with his forceful and even militaristic reputation.

The implication is some sort of physical crisis early in life that needs pinpointing in time.

To find that he suffered from internal parasites and ate a lot of fish is not recorded but always likely if we thought about it, which we did not.

Do you think we are now focusing too much on the necessity of scientific testing over historical research?

As regards the potential of science, we have very little evidence to go on as yet.

The Richard III case indicates only a very limited range of possible uses. There must be more of course.

Necessity is rather a strong term. Dendrochronology and radio-carbon dating are types of scientific tests that have become essential for dating buildings. They are very expensive. All forms of scientific test, it appears at present, carry with them costs far above the normal expenses of historical research. Exhuming bones and testing them involves a great deal of bureaucracy which costs both money and time. It seems unlikely at present that such tests will ever become commonplace. Are there really scientists who want to work on anything other than the most sensational material?

There is certainly a danger that it focuses public attention on minutiae of minimal interest, such as the appearance of Richard III and his diet, and not on the issues that concern historians – what happened, why, who and how (with events), the culture that they lived through and to which they conformed – or the social conditions, economic and other changes of the time.

You said this book has intervened in your retirement, is a fascination and engagement with history ever something one can retire from or put aside?

No, it isn’t. I’ve retired from the day job: undergraduate teaching and university administration.

But historians don’t retire and indeed mature with the passing of time. Of course retirement has given me the time to pursue many avenues of research that have been shelved for years. I have never been so busy as I am now. I also expect the pleasure of working through the huge backlog of reading on other historical eras.

 

The Family of Richard III

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The Wars of the Roses were quarrels within the Plantagenet family, of which Richard’s dynasty, the house of York was one branch. The house of York won the first war, with Richard’s elder brother becoming king as Edward IV. In 1483, after decades of family infighting, there was a sudden violent resolution following Edward IV’s death. Richard III claimed to be his brother’s heir, the Yorkist establishment refused and shared in Richard’s destruction. With the recent discovery of Richard III’s skeleton and his reburial in Leicester Cathedral, Professor Michael Hicks, described by BBC History Magazine as ‘the greatest living expert on Richard III’ reassesses the family ties and entrails of his wayward and violent family. Many thousands of descendants of Richard survive, some more interested in their linage than others, and the book will conclude with an analysis of Richard’s DNA and his ‘family’ as it exists today.

About the Author

Michael Hicks is Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Winchester & Fellow of the Royal Historical Society. He is the author of Richard III (‘A most important book… compulsive reading’ BBC HISTORY MAGAZINE), Anne Neville: Queen to Richard III (‘A masterful and poignant story’ ALISON WEIR), Warwick the Kingmaker (‘Immensely well-researched’ THE RICARDIAN) & The Prince in the Tower (‘The first time in ages that a publisher has sent me a book that I actually want to read!’ DAVID STARKEY). He is regarded by many as the leading expert on the Yorkist dynasty. He lives in Taunton.

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About The Author

Olga Hughes is currently pre-occupied with fairy tales, fantasy, misanthropy, medieval history and the long eighteenth century. She has a Bachelor of Fine Art from the Victorian College of the Arts and is currently majoring in Literature and History at Deakin. She has contributed to websites such as History behind Game of Thrones, The Anne Boleyn Files and The Tudor Society.

10 Responses

  1. Anne R

    Michael Hicks is well known for being anti Richard III so I would take anything he writes on the subject with a very big grain of salt.

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    • Olga Hughes

      Considering you left this comment about two minutes after the article was published (that must be a record, I hadn’t even posted it on Facebook yet) I have a suspicion you didn’t bother to actually read it.

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      • Anne R

        No I haven’t read it but going on his past history I don’t hold out much hope of an unbiased book from him.

  2. Esther

    I am curious as to why Michael Hicks thinks the skeleton could be someone other than Richard III. Even if the science is (as he claims) not conclusive, I haven’t heard any one mention anywhere that someone else who could meet the DNA tests was buried at the same place.

    Esther

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    • Olga Hughes

      Basically as above Esther. The book has a lot more detail, but Michael also notes the tests were conducted with a bias towards finding Richard III.
      I think the historical evidence actually outweighs the scientific evidence by far, I’m sure the remains are Richard’s. But I agree the results couldn’t be as conclusive as the scientists at Leicester claim. There’s been too much focus on the scientific testing over the decades of research that went into locating his grave in my opinion. John Ashdown-Hill did a lot of historical research along with his discovery of the mtDNA.

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  3. Jasmine

    If you can ignore some of Professor Hicks’s more extreme anti-views about Richard, then he has a lot of interesting information to offer. Unfortunately it is difficult to ignore his continual description of Richard as a serial incestor – if such a word exists. Perhaps it is time for Professor Hicks to concentrate on a more positive interpretation of the historical record, rather than taking every opportunity to present Richard in an unfavourable light.

    Having said that, I am looking forward to reading this book as there is very little written about Richard’s family context.

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  4. Esther

    IMO, the difficulty with his extreme anti-Richard bias is that it is likely to affect his analysis of all of Richard’s family relationships. For example, in his biography of Edward IV, Charles Ross makes it clear that it was Edward and George primarily responsible for the act of Parliament stripping the Countess of Warwick of her property (although in his biography of Richard, Ross says that he is as much a shark as his brothers); it seems to me that any analysis of Richard’s relationship with his mother in law will be affected by which view you take of his role in this matter.

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    • Jasmine

      Very true, Esther. There is some evidence that the Dowager Countess of Warwick had the opportunity to spend money while living at Middleham with her daughter and son in law – there’s a letter in which Richard says she has spent a lot of money on a ‘gold tablet’ which some have interpreted to be the Middleham Jewel. Although this is only a tiny piece of information, it does not suggest that the Countess was ‘locked away’ or confined as a prisoner. I am sure she resented being declared legally dead and having her lands given to her daughters, but she was living with her family and would have been able to be involved with her grandson. Much better than being stuck in a convent perhaps.

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      • Olga Hughes

        Let’s not lay it on too thick. There is an extremely interesting interview raising some issues pertinent to the current views of historical research above that could also be discussed.

        I have been thinking about how the bias applied in the scientific testing mirrors that of the 1933 examination of the remains in Westminster Abbey.

  5. Banditqueen

    Professor Hicks is an expert on Richard iii, he has studied and written on him for several decades, so his views carry weight. However in the case of the bones of Richard lll not being his, nonsense. He stated that the bones and injuries could be from any other of his relatives. No other of his relatives were buried in the Greyfriars in Leicester. His other brothers killed died too early and Edmund was only 17. George was executed, but it is not likely that he suffered the eleven wounds Richard did. Edward died of natural causes. A cousin would not be close enough and two lines from rare types matched. I doubt many people would match exactly his wounds. Just how common is his type of curved spine? How many people of his age and build that match contemporary evidence? The DNA was just the confirmation of his identity, taken together with all of the evidence. I think Mike Hicks is actually a genius. What better way to sell your own book than to state in the face of overwhelming evidence that the king in the carpark is not Richard iii, when he probably deep down knows that it is. And let’s not forget that the osteoarchaelogist Dr Joe Appleby is young and at the early years of her career. Professor Hicks has retired, his public career is winding down. I am confident that the books will continue, but a new generation of academics always challenge the hard set views of the old school.. The book is great in that he gives us new insight into the wider family of Richard lll, but his views on the accuracy of the science that confirmed Richard iii identity could be taken as a clever way to promote his new book.

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